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Hi,
I know this is not the exactly the right forum but I already asked on the Eric
forum. But since Eric is using pyQT and not wxPython it's no wonder I didn't
get an answer (of course they are just jealous of the free wxPython). If
you use Eric as your IDE - have you attempted to add wxpthon to the
auto-complete and the calltips. I can get the auto-complete to display a
list but I can figure out how to get the calltips to work correctly - it does
not display the parameter list. I'm a newbie to wxPython and don't know the
parameters for most of the functions/objects - I think the calltips would be
very helpful. So if you can help thanks in advance.

John

2

WingIDE 2.0 (www.wingware.com) has a commercial IDE that does that just fine... but then it is not free. In eric3 I don't know how to achieve that.

Regards,
Marco

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Thanks for your help.
John

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On Thursday 16 September 2004 02:43, Marco Aschwanden wrote:

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:05:13 -0700, John Fabiani <jfabiani@yolo.com> wrote:

WingIDE 2.0 (www.wingware.com) has a commercial IDE that does that just
fine... but then it is not free. In eric3 I don't know how to achieve that.

Regards,
Marco

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John Fabiani wrote:

Thanks for your help.
John

By the way, can you run wxPython apps under Eric3's debugger?

-Chris

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So far the answer is yes. But remember I'm a newbie and still learning much.
But I have found that the debugger does stop on my wxPython statements and in
fact goes all the way into read only modules.

John

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On Thursday 16 September 2004 09:35, Chris Barker wrote:

John Fabiani wrote:
> Thanks for your help.
> John

By the way, can you run wxPython apps under Eric3's debugger?

-Chris

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Work is being done now on the editor for Dabo, which features exactly what you are looking for. Download the most recent version via Subversion, or grab tomorrow's daily build to play around with it.

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
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  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://dabodev.com/

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On Sep 15, 2004, at 3:05 PM, John Fabiani wrote:

I know this is not the exactly the right forum but I already asked on the Eric
forum. But since Eric is using pyQT and not wxPython it's no wonder I didn't
get an answer (of course they are just jealous of the free wxPython). If
you use Eric as your IDE - have you attempted to add wxpthon to the
auto-complete and the calltips. I can get the auto-complete to display a
list but I can figure out how to get the calltips to work correctly - it does
not display the parameter list. I'm a newbie to wxPython and don't know the
parameters for most of the functions/objects - I think the calltips would be
very helpful. So if you can help thanks in advance.

7

Ed ,
That sounds good - but why an editor? Duh! Of course just like VFP. Dabo is
sounding more like an IDE (in the VFP sense) rather than a framework
(although I'm sure a valid argument could be made that VFP is a framework).
My only trouble is I haven't got to the point where I understand wxPython
well enough to start working with Dabo. However, I did recently download a
nightly - but I couldn't get it to work. Which made me fall back to learning
more about wxPython before proceding into Dabo. But I'm learning fast and I
have every intention of becoming one of the helpers soon.

John

John

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On Thursday 16 September 2004 17:55, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Sep 15, 2004, at 3:05 PM, John Fabiani wrote:
> I know this is not the exactly the right forum but I already asked on
> the Eric
> forum. But since Eric is using pyQT and not wxPython it's no wonder I
> didn't
> get an answer (of course they are just jealous of the free wxPython).
> If
> you use Eric as your IDE - have you attempted to add wxpthon to the
> auto-complete and the calltips. I can get the auto-complete to
> display a
> list but I can figure out how to get the calltips to work correctly -
> it does
> not display the parameter list. I'm a newbie to wxPython and don't
> know the
> parameters for most of the functions/objects - I think the calltips
> would be
> very helpful. So if you can help thanks in advance.

  Work is being done now on the editor for Dabo, which features exactly
what you are looking for. Download the most recent version via
Subversion, or grab tomorrow's daily build to play around with it.

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://dabodev.com/

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John Fabiani writes:

That sounds good - but why an editor? Duh! Of course just
like VFP. Dabo is sounding more like an IDE (in the VFP
sense) rather than a framework (although I'm sure a valid
argument could be made that VFP is a framework).

Core Dabo is a framework. The editor is part of a separate
project called DaboDemo. The hope is that an editor and a
semblance of an IDE will attract some VFP/Delphi/VB developers
who have it in their mind that their dev environment should be
a monolithic one handed down from above instead of a
distributed one put together with the tools they prefer.

My only
trouble is I haven't got to the point where I understand
wxPython well enough to start working with Dabo.

I didn't start to understand wxPython until I started trying to
abstract it. Perhaps that is irony.

However, I
did recently download a nightly - but I couldn't get it to
work.

We keep making it dependent on the bleeding-edge version of
wxPython. Also, depending on the night, we may have screwed
something up. Sometimes I'll commit something right before bed,
and then I'll realize in the morning after my run and shower
that I really shouldn't commit anything when I'm falling
asleep. :slight_smile:

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Independent Software Consultant
http://www.paulmcnett.com

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Been there done that!

John

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On Thursday 16 September 2004 20:36, Paul McNett wrote:

We keep making it dependent on the bleeding-edge version of
wxPython. Also, depending on the night, we may have screwed
something up. Sometimes I'll commit something right before bed,
and then I'll realize in the morning after my run and shower
that I really shouldn't commit anything when I'm falling
asleep. :slight_smile:

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One of the design goals of Dabo is to abstract out the nuances of wxPython so that you can code without being a wx expert. Paul has done some excellent work with the event model, and you can now create an app that responds to most events without coding a single wx.EVT_*

  Grab the nightly builds, and run the appWizard in DaboDemo to create a simple app. The default is to use a public MySQL database on my server, but if you have a local MySQL or Firebird server you want to use, go for it. Then look at the generated code to see just how simple a Dabo app can be.

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     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://dabodev.com/

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On Sep 16, 2004, at 10:57 PM, John Fabiani wrote:

My only trouble is I haven't got to the point where I understand wxPython well enough to start working with Dabo.

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OK I'll do it tonight.
John

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On Friday 17 September 2004 05:00, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Sep 16, 2004, at 10:57 PM, John Fabiani wrote:
> My only trouble is I haven't got to the point where I understand
> wxPython well enough to start working with Dabo.

  One of the design goals of Dabo is to abstract out the nuances of
wxPython so that you can code without being a wx expert. Paul has done
some excellent work with the event model, and you can now create an app
that responds to most events without coding a single wx.EVT_*

  Grab the nightly builds, and run the appWizard in DaboDemo to create a
simple app. The default is to use a public MySQL database on my server,
but if you have a local MySQL or Firebird server you want to use, go
for it. Then look at the generated code to see just how simple a Dabo
app can be.

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     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://dabodev.com/

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Hi John,

Have you looked at Boa Constructor?

http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/

CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE does that.

See you
Werner

John Fabiani wrote:

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Hi,
I know this is not the exactly the right forum but I already asked on the Eric forum. But since Eric is using pyQT and not wxPython it's no wonder I didn't get an answer (of course they are just jealous of the free wxPython). If you use Eric as your IDE - have you attempted to add wxpthon to the auto-complete and the calltips. I can get the auto-complete to display a list but I can figure out how to get the calltips to work correctly - it does not display the parameter list. I'm a newbie to wxPython and don't know the parameters for most of the functions/objects - I think the calltips would be very helpful. So if you can help thanks in advance.

John

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So does Spe and I think DrPython too. But neither of the two have the
debugging the Eric appears to have. Because I'm a newbie I really need the
debugging and the calltips.

John

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On Saturday 18 September 2004 02:31, Werner F. Bruhin wrote:

Hi John,

Have you looked at Boa Constructor?

http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/

CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE does that.

See you
Werner

John Fabiani wrote:
>Hi,
>I know this is not the exactly the right forum but I already asked on the
> Eric forum. But since Eric is using pyQT and not wxPython it's no wonder
> I didn't get an answer (of course they are just jealous of the free
> wxPython). If you use Eric as your IDE - have you attempted to add
> wxpthon to the auto-complete and the calltips. I can get the
> auto-complete to display a list but I can figure out how to get the
> calltips to work correctly - it does not display the parameter list. I'm
> a newbie to wxPython and don't know the parameters for most of the
> functions/objects - I think the calltips would be very helpful. So if
> you can help thanks in advance.
>
>John
>
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Hi,

I don't know Eric, but I want to suggest DrPython :wink:

For the Call Tips (there is the CodeComplete plugin),
and for the debugging you could try "Simple Debugger" plugin.

(although this debugging could lack (still (?)) several things, but the
project is in rapid progress).

you could post your wishes to one of the DrPython forums:

http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=83074

regards,

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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:53:44 -0700, John Fabiani <jfabiani@yolo.com> wrote:

So does Spe and I think DrPython too. But neither of the two have the
debugging the Eric appears to have. Because I'm a newbie I really need the
debugging and the calltips.

--
Franz Steinhäusler

DrPython (Project Developer)
http://drpython.sourceforge.net/

15

I like what I have seen so far in DrPython but I'm not good enough of a python
programmer to know who's debugger is better. I just know I was able to debug
wxPython in Eric and I could not figure out how to in DrPrython.

John

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On Saturday 18 September 2004 13:11, Franz Steinh�usler wrote:

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I like what I have seen so far in DrPython but I'm not good enough of a python
programmer to know who's debugger is better.

Thank you; the debugger is still in a early release.

I just know I was able to debug
wxPython in Eric and I could not figure out how to in DrPrython.

You can also use, if you use Windows XP, the "Hap Debugger" from
Sourceforge. Works pretty good and is almost like the Visual C++ debugger.

The drawback, I saw, if you quit a program, you debugged, you have
to close Hap Debugger (otherwise it doesn't run rightly again)

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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:34:51 -0700, John Fabiani <jfabiani@yolo.com> wrote:

On Saturday 18 September 2004 13:11, Franz Steinh?ler wrote:

--
Franz Steinhäusler

DrPython (Project Developer)
http://drpython.sourceforge.net/

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Hi John,

You got me curious about Eric3, so had to have a quick look at their site. All looks very nice, pity that they are QT based as I am still on Windows.

John Fabiani wrote:

So does Spe and I think DrPython too. But neither of the two have the debugging the Eric appears to have. Because I'm a newbie I really need the

I find Boa's debugger pretty good, are there things in the Eric one which it can't do? I can't imagine anyone wanting to develope today WITHOUT using a debugger.

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debugging and the calltips.

John
On Saturday 18 September 2004 02:31, Werner F. Bruhin wrote:

Hi John,

Have you looked at Boa Constructor?

http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/

CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE does that.

See you
Werner

John Fabiani wrote:
   

Hi,
I know this is not the exactly the right forum but I already asked on the
Eric forum. But since Eric is using pyQT and not wxPython it's no wonder
I didn't get an answer (of course they are just jealous of the free
wxPython). If you use Eric as your IDE - have you attempted to add
wxpthon to the auto-complete and the calltips. I can get the
auto-complete to display a list but I can figure out how to get the
calltips to work correctly - it does not display the parameter list. I'm
a newbie to wxPython and don't know the parameters for most of the
functions/objects - I think the calltips would be very helpful. So if
you can help thanks in advance.

John

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I've been trying several environments lately. My current editor is
jEdit, which is a very nice editor for Python, as well as other
languages, and it does have some limited tool tips for Python, though
not autocompletion. The only catch is that jEdit is Java-based (as you
might guess by the name), hence you get to download a rather huge Java
VM from Sun or whoever else. In any case, their site is
http://jedit.sourceforge.net.

I just picked up copies of the following:

wmGlade: For GUI development standalone, this seems to do a nice job.
Along with the tutorial, it also helps to organize your thoughts along
the way, too.

Boa Constructor: Won't run on my system yet - I'm on 2.5.2.8 of
wxPython, and they're only compatible with the 2.4 series. Too bad - it
looks like a great package.

Dr. Python: Seems to be a nice editor, though I really haven't run it
head-to-head against jEdit yet.

Eric3: I'm running into a library problem here - on execution, it says
it can't find the library "libqscintilla.so.5". I've installed all of
the other pieces required (sip, qScintilla, and PyQt) without incident,
and the library itself is nicely tucked away in my /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib
directory. So I'm not sure what to do to make it visible to Eric3. Any
thoughts?

Dabo: I *really* want to see what this one looks like when it matures a
bit - I'm an long-time VFP programmer (I still work in the language a
bit), and I'd like to see what some of that treatment in a Python
environment would look like.

David M. Stowell
<dmstowell@ameritech.net>

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On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 05:15, Werner F. Bruhin wrote:

Hi John,

You got me curious about Eric3, so had to have a quick look at their
site. All looks very nice, pity that they are QT based as I am still on
Windows.

John Fabiani wrote:

>So does Spe and I think DrPython too. But neither of the two have the
>debugging the Eric appears to have. Because I'm a newbie I really need the
>
>
I find Boa's debugger pretty good, are there things in the Eric one
which it can't do? I can't imagine anyone wanting to develope today
WITHOUT using a debugger.

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I can't get BOA to run either. I even downloaded the latest without success.
But I really like WxGlade. I'm still in the learning mode (although I am
having success).

I'm still a VFP programmer and I know of the two guys doing the work. Both
are respected in the VFP world. So I'm sure the Dabo project will be great.
I'm hoping that soon I'll be able to help. Python is a natural for VFP and
VB programmers (albeit VFP is more in line with Python). What is missing is
the IDE and framework that's available on the Microsoft platform. VFP and VB
have nothing over Python. As soon as the VFP programmers find Python and
Dabo I think they'll start moving quickly. Most of the VFP programmers feel
that Microsoft is leaving them out in the cold and will soon drop the
product. So they are looking for a replacement - why not a language that is
cross platform and open source! In my opinion most don't really like .NET!

If the VFP programmers moved that would mean over 100,000 full time
programmers (got that number from Ken Levy of MS) joining the ranks of Python
programmers. Some of you might believe that would be a bad thing. But VFP
programmers produce much of the data centric business programs on MS Windows.
This would be a boost to Linux (just try to find a few inexpensive accounting
packages on linux) and a boost to the status of Python - if the same
programmers started producing in Python. Just my two cents.

John

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On Sunday 19 September 2004 08:09, Raven wrote:

On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 05:15, Werner F. Bruhin wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> You got me curious about Eric3, so had to have a quick look at their
> site. All looks very nice, pity that they are QT based as I am still on
> Windows.
>
> John Fabiani wrote:
> >So does Spe and I think DrPython too. But neither of the two have the
> >debugging the Eric appears to have. Because I'm a newbie I really need
> > the
>
> I find Boa's debugger pretty good, are there things in the Eric one
> which it can't do? I can't imagine anyone wanting to develope today
> WITHOUT using a debugger.

I've been trying several environments lately. My current editor is
jEdit, which is a very nice editor for Python, as well as other
languages, and it does have some limited tool tips for Python, though
not autocompletion. The only catch is that jEdit is Java-based (as you
might guess by the name), hence you get to download a rather huge Java
VM from Sun or whoever else. In any case, their site is
http://jedit.sourceforge.net.

I just picked up copies of the following:

wmGlade: For GUI development standalone, this seems to do a nice job.
Along with the tutorial, it also helps to organize your thoughts along
the way, too.

Boa Constructor: Won't run on my system yet - I'm on 2.5.2.8 of
wxPython, and they're only compatible with the 2.4 series. Too bad - it
looks like a great package.

Dr. Python: Seems to be a nice editor, though I really haven't run it
head-to-head against jEdit yet.

Eric3: I'm running into a library problem here - on execution, it says
it can't find the library "libqscintilla.so.5". I've installed all of
the other pieces required (sip, qScintilla, and PyQt) without incident,
and the library itself is nicely tucked away in my /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib
directory. So I'm not sure what to do to make it visible to Eric3. Any
thoughts?

Dabo: I *really* want to see what this one looks like when it matures a
bit - I'm an long-time VFP programmer (I still work in the language a
bit), and I'd like to see what some of that treatment in a Python
environment would look like.

David M. Stowell
<dmstowell@ameritech.net>

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