This is the second time this has happened to me; it also happened last summer.
The last message I received before I was deleted was Dan Taylor's Saturday evening note:
From: Don Taylor <nospamformeSVP@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:45:09 -0400
Subject: [wxPython-users] Re: Transparent windows in wxPython
At first I thought that the lists themselves were down again, but a visit to the Web archives showed me that was not the case.
So I've just re-subscribed to the list.
Hmmm, could I have been deleted due to apparent inactivity? I just realized that the e-mail address I tend to use to enter messages here, i.e., my mailer's default e-mail address, is not the e-mail address that I used to subscribe to the list.
This can happen if there is a burst of spam messages that make it through the filters on the list host, but your mail host is rejecting them as part of the SMTP transaction using a code that indicates that your address is no longer there. Since ezmlm is majorly stupid it tries to verify your address by sending another copy of the lost messages, which your server rejects again, so ezmlm unsubscribes you. One of these days I'll get the lists moved over to MailMan on a different server...
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
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I did, Robin, and this is the only help text that came back that addresses my current need:
To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
<wxPython-users-get.123_145@lists.wxwidgets.org>
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers. How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
Bob
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At 12:54 PM 10/9/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
No need to reply, I found them in the archives. The key was to find the last message before I was dropped, and the first message received after I resubscribed, and then click on "time" or on "Messages by date".
Bob
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At 01:34 PM 10/9/2007, Bob Klahn wrote:
At 12:54 PM 10/9/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
I did, Robin, and this is the only help text that came back that addresses my current need:
To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
<wxPython-users-get.123_145@lists.wxwidgets.org>
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers. How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
I did, Robin, and this is the only help text that came back that addresses my current need:
To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
<wxPython-users-get.123_145@lists.wxwidgets.org>
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers. How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
If you look at a message's mail headers you'll see it embedded in the Return-Path header. You can also look at the archive "Messages by date." There each page has a number at the top and a number by each message header, for example: http://lists.wxwidgets.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?11:iis:69057:200710#b This page will show the message 69000 through 69099.
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Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman http://wxPython.org Java give you jitters? Relax with wxPython!
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
I did, Robin, and this is the only help text that came back that addresses my current need:
To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
<wxPython-users-get.123_145@lists.wxwidgets.org>
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers.
How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
If you look at a message's mail headers you'll see it embedded in the Return-Path header.
My mailer is Eudora 7.1.0.9. I see no message numbers anywhere. Eudora has a "BLAH BLAH" icon (Eudora's name for it, not mine) which, when pressed, shows the full message, with detailed routing, etc. There's no message number, and there's no Return-Path text; a case-insensitive search for the word "path" finds nothing.
As an added check, I pulled the Eudora wxPython mailbox file into my editor; the message numbers are simply not there.
Yes, I had found that, as I stated in a message that you hadn't yet seen. So I entered a request for the 62 messages I missed, and they've now come back, but not as individual messages as I had hoped, but as a digest.
Apparently there's no way to request a set of individual messages?
In any case, I have the missing messages now, just not in the form I prefer.
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers. How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
You can also read the messages on Gmane at http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.wxpython. I don't think the Gmane message numbers are the same as the listservers', but it's a convenient way to browse. (And come to think of it, if you have a decent newsreader, you may have fewer problems subscribing to the list via Gmane. I use Thunderbird for that purpose.)
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
I did, Robin, and this is the only help text that came back that addresses my current need:
To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
<wxPython-users-get.123_145@lists.wxwidgets.org>
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers.
How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
If you look at a message's mail headers you'll see it embedded in the Return-Path header.
My mailer is Eudora 7.1.0.9. I see no message numbers anywhere. Eudora has a "BLAH BLAH" icon (Eudora's name for it, not mine) which, when pressed, shows the full message, with detailed routing, etc. There's no message number, and there's no Return-Path text; a case-insensitive search for the word "path" finds nothing.
As an added check, I pulled the Eudora wxPython mailbox file into my editor; the message numbers are simply not there.
Then they're probably getting removed either by your SMTP host or by Eudora, or Eudora just isn't considering it as part of the Blah Blah. Here's part of the headers from your message tha I recieved:
Return-Path: <wxPython-users-return-69064-robin=alldunn.com@lists.wxwidgets.org>
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At 02:18 PM 10/9/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
At 12:54 PM 10/9/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
Reply-To: wxPython-users@lists.wxwidgets.org
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Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman http://wxPython.org Java give you jitters? Relax with wxPython!
Robin and all, FYI: I finally got through to a knowledgeable person at Comcast, and she said that Comcast is now filtering out the Return-Path line (along with several others), supposedly because there's hardly any demand for it. She thinks that this is a Comcast-wide policy now, and said that if the Return-Path line is still present in some regions served by Comcast, it won't be there that much longer.
Bob
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At 05:43 PM 10/10/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
Bob Klahn wrote:
At 02:18 PM 10/9/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
Bob Klahn wrote:
At 12:54 PM 10/9/2007, Robin Dunn wrote:
How can I receive all the messages I missed in the interim? As individual messages?
Try sending a message to wxPython-users-help@lists.wxwidgets.org, it should respond with a list of commands you can send to the list. I think there is support for fetching lost messages.
I did, Robin, and this is the only help text that came back that addresses my current need:
To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
<wxPython-users-get.123_145@lists.wxwidgets.org>
I'd be happy to do that, except that I don't see any message numbers.
How can I determine what message numbers to request? Where are these message numbers??
If you look at a message's mail headers you'll see it embedded in the Return-Path header.
My mailer is Eudora 7.1.0.9. I see no message numbers anywhere. Eudora has a "BLAH BLAH" icon (Eudora's name for it, not mine) which, when pressed, shows the full message, with detailed routing, etc. There's no message number, and there's no Return-Path text; a case-insensitive search for the word "path" finds nothing.
As an added check, I pulled the Eudora wxPython mailbox file into my editor; the message numbers are simply not there.
Then they're probably getting removed either by your SMTP host or by Eudora, or Eudora just isn't considering it as part of the Blah Blah. Here's part of the headers from your message tha I recieved:
Return-Path: <wxPython-users-return-69064-robin=alldunn.com@lists.wxwidgets.org>
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on riobu.com
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FORGED_RCVD_HELO,MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.3
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Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman http://wxPython.org Java give you jitters? Relax with wxPython!
Robin and all, FYI: I finally got through to a knowledgeable person at Comcast, and she said that Comcast is now filtering out the Return-Path line (along with several others), supposedly because there's hardly any demand for it. She thinks that this is a Comcast-wide policy now, and said that if the Return-Path line is still present in some regions served by Comcast, it won't be there that much longer.
Weird. I guess when you deal with the volume of messages that they do it makes sense to save a few bytes here and there. But still, personally I would feel a little uneasy about ISPs not only scanning but also modifying my email... But that's just me.
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Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman http://wxPython.org Java give you jitters? Relax with wxPython!
Here's part of the headers from your message tha I recieved: