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   3. Re: Building on Solaris (Robin Dunn)
   4. Re: Resolving wx*Ptr types? (Robin Dunn)
   5. Re: wxIDLE (just an idea) (Robin Dunn)
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   8. Anyone got examples of wxPySizer-derived class? (Chris Fama)
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From: wxpython-users-request@lists.wxwindows.org
Subject: wxpython-users digest, Vol 1 #295 - 13 msgs
To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 05:15:05 -0700

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Message: 1
From: "Patrick K. O'Brien" <pobrien@orbtech.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: RE: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:06:22 -0500
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

You might want to look at PyCrust. It is only the shell (it doesn't have a
file editor or debugger), but it does use wxPython.

---
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Orbtech
"I am, therefore I think."

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From: wxpython-users-admin@lists.wxwindows.org
[mailto:wxpython-users-admin@lists.wxwindows.org]On Behalf Of Terrel Shumway
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:32 PM
To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org
Subject: Re: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)

CCF.Herzog@gmx.net wrote:

If someone now says:"good idea, go ahead," then I must admit,
that I'm not an experienced programmer and would not dare to start
on such a challenge on my own. (However, I promise to do some
help on simple (and probably boring) tasks if someone does.)
Christoph

Good idea, go ahead.

I just created a sourceforge project (nothing there yet).

Does anyone want to help? We could start with a web page. I can set up
a wiki for ideas.

I use vi for most of my editing, but I do like the browser features in idle.

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Message: 2
From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] # in wxStyledTextCtrl
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:35:39 -0700
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

I have this problem with WinMe, the problem is not present using
Scintilla from C++.

Then it's probably a problem in wxSTC where it is translating wx events to
what Scintilla needs. I expect to get wxSTC updated to the latest Scintilla
soon, so that would be a good time to try and address this. In the mean
time, if anybody having these troubles can try to find and document all the
cases where it fails that would be helpful. Also, anybody interested in
looking at the code in question can see it here:

http://cvs.wxwindows.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/wxWindows/contrib/src/stc/stc.c
pp?rev=1.14&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

in OnChar and OnKeyDown near the bottom, and in

http://cvs.wxwindows.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/wxWindows/contrib/src/stc/Scint
illaWX.cpp?rev=1.12&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

in DoAddChar and DoKeyDown, also near the bottom. I can tell you right off
that the trouble just reported is in OnChar as it doesn't call DoAddChar if
the Control or Alt keys are down. I remember having a list of exceptions in
there for the non-US keyboards, but they seem to have dissappeared and I
don't see anything in the CVS log about it... I don't remember right off
why I Skip()'d if Ctrl or Alt are down but I think it was because any Ctrl-
or Alt- keys bound to Scintilla functions would also insert the key. I'm
sure there's a way around that, I just need to find it

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Message: 3
From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Cc: "\"Mike Hostetler\"" <thehaas@binary.net>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] Building on Solaris
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:38:54 -0700
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

/usr/openwin/include/X11/Xutil.h:871: ANSI C++ forbids declaration

`XUnionRectWithRegion' with no type

/usr/openwin/include/X11/Xutil.h:879: ANSI C++ forbids declaration

`XUnionRegion' with no type

/usr/openwin/include/X11/Xutil.h:903: ANSI C++ forbids declaration

`XXorRegion' with no type

error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
sh-2.03$ exit
exit

Did you configure wxGTK with the --enable-permissive flag? If so then it
probably used the --f-enable-permissive flag for its own build, but didn't
put it into wx-config for everything else. You can either edit wx-config so
it will output that flag, or hack it into setup.py.

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Message: 4
From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] Resolving wx*Ptr types?
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:41:52 -0700
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

I think I'm going to need to read all 25M of the list's archives to
fully understand the nuances of wxPython. Is there a FAQ, either in
existence or on someone's workbench? I feel that perhaps I could spare
the list some of my foolish questions if there were one to be had.

There's the beginings of one in the wxPyWiki:
http://wxpython.org/cgi-bin/wiki It's a collaborative documentation project
for wxPython. While you're reading the mail archive and come across good
Q's and A's feel free to add them to the FAQ or the Cookbook on that site.

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Message: 5
From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:40:24 -0700
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

One of the symbols of Tkinter being the quasi standard GUI of
Python is IDLE. I think something like a "wxIDLE" could serve as a
very effective hint to demonstrate the qualities of wxPython vis-�-vis
Tkinter. It would probably be a good idea not to start from scratch
but with with the Editor of Boa (if that is ok with Riaan Booysen) so
wxIDLE would be kind of a little brother to Boa (my only objection
to Boa being that it will perhaps take a long time until it is finished,
just because it is so huge.)

I had thought seriously about doing it a few times, and then Boa came along
and I was relieved that Riaan would be the primary on that and I wouldn't
have to worry about an IDLE clone. When I realized how much *more* Boa was
going to be than what I had planned I was even happier.

Now Boa has taken a long time (understandably) and still has a ways to go,
(also understandably.) So when I got a sneak peak at PyCrust a while back I
started thinking about doing a wxIDLE again. Now Terrel and others have
stepped up to work on it (and Patrick with PyCrust) and once again I am
relieved that I don't have to worry about it and can continue to focus on
wxPython itself. (Isn't Open Source grand?!?!)

My one request for wxIDLE: Be sure to design it with a plug-in
architecture. (Plug-in Editors: code editor, layout editor, menu editor,
etc. Plug-in Tools: simple debugger, remote debugger, Bob's debugger,
class browser, PythonCard, etc...) I don't know much about IDLEfork but I
think that is why IDLE hasn't progressed much, it's too hard for people to
add new capabilites without disrupting the whole thing. (In that light,
thinking of it as "IDLE - tkinter + wxPython" may not be a good thing.) If
people can easily work on individual plug-ins without impacting other
plug-ins or the framework then many more people can contribute to the
project.

--
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Software Craftsman
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Message: 6
From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:43:36 -0700
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

You might want to look at PyCrust. It is only the shell (it doesn't have a
file editor or debugger), but it does use wxPython.

PyCrust download | SourceForge.net

I'll also reccommend PyCrust to be included in wxIDLE or any similar
project. I was quite impressed with it when I played with it a few days
ago. In fact I've been thinking of deprecating the Python shells currently
in the wxPython library and putting snapshots of PyCrust in the distribution
instead. (Is that okay with you Patrick?)

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Message: 7
From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:07:37 -0700
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

I think the real reason is that Tkinter is simple an easy to install on
every platform that python run. wxPython is better and simple to install

on

windows, but is really hard to install on linux, mainly because it depend

on

GTK. Moreover tkinter is allready installed on most unix version.

Tcl/Tk or tkinter? I think more the former, less the latter. Anyway, GTK
is getting that way too. Now that Sun, IBM and others are behind the GNOME
project then it will become even more so.

So that leaves wxGTK as the only real dependency. Would it be better to
include it in the wxPython binary RPMs? Should it be a combined source
package too? Anybody know how to make distutils configure, build and
install a non Python-related package, and include it in the RPMs and source
bundles that it creates?

--
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Message: 8
From: "Chris Fama" <chris.fama@uq.net.au>
To: "wxPython-users mailing list" <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:55:50 +1000
Organization: Wholly Snakes Software
Subject: [wxPython] Anyone got examples of wxPySizer-derived class?
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

As the subject says, has anyone got examples of a reasonably "complete"
wxPySizer-derived class? I can't find anything in the demo, nor examples,
etc. And the wxWindows documentation appears to be a... well, slightly
difficult... place to start.

I'd be happy to write something for the wxPyWiki on this, if someone can
give me something to get my teeth into... [if not and I manage to work it
out anyway, I may just do so anyway, if I have time]

Anyway, thanks...

Chris
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:33:17 +0200
From: Riaan Booysen <riaan@e.co.za>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)
To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org
Organization: Tangible Business Software
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

Hi Christoph and Terrel,

CCF.Herzog@gmx.net wrote:

=20
this is just an idea...
"Why the hell hasn't wxPython become the standard GUI for
Python yet?" Eric S. Raymond is quoted on the wxPython home
page.
One of the symbols of Tkinter being the quasi standard GUI of
Python is IDLE. I think something like a "wxIDLE" could serve as a
very effective hint to demonstrate the qualities of wxPython vis-=

=E0-vis

Tkinter.=20

Boa tries hard to do just that.

It would probably be a good idea not to start from scratch
but with with the Editor of Boa (if that is ok with Riaan Booysen) =

so

wxIDLE would be kind of a little brother to Boa (my only objection
to Boa being that it will perhaps take a long time until it is fini=

shed,

just because it is so huge.)

Boa is your wxIDLE.
This is the *primary* role that Boa tries to fulfill, GUI building,=
=20
Zope, etc are secondary for me. This is complete overlap!
The IDE/Editor component that you talk about is ready for use in Boa,
stable and offers equivalent functionality to IDLE.=20

With the next release (soon!) the version number will be 0.1.0 and Bo=
a=20
will go alpha, further releases will bump the second digit and major=
=20
CVS updates bumping the last.
Most people familiar with Boa should know that it is much more=20
complete than the version number suggests.
My own milestone is to deliver a stable Boa that will be feature=20
complete (the beta) before the end of the year.

Also, something which might cause people to think, "this app is too=
=20
big we need something smaller", has been the resource usage (esp. on=
=20
win9x but also menu problems on NT/2000)
I've really spend some time on this problem since the 0.0.5 release
and things have improved a lot!
To people who have had doubts about wxPython because of Boa's resourc=
e=20
usage, mea culpa, I'm sorry.
There were a few naive 'non-scalable' strategies like storing menus a=
nd=20
caching pictures have been fixed or made optional.
The bottom line is that on windows, windows resources is a limited=
=20
resource no matter how much memory you have and any app of=20
significant size needs to be aware of it's resource management.
It was not wxPython fault, blame it on Bill and me.

If someone now says:"good idea, go ahead," then I must admit,
that I'm not an experienced programmer and would not dare to start
on such a challenge on my own. (However, I promise to do some
help on simple (and probably boring) tasks if someone does.)
Christoph

I don't think this is a good idea, and am against yet another ide.
Please help out with Boa. Even if it is with decoupling components so=
=20
that more of Boa can be switched on and off at will
This idea to have more of the components in Boa optionally turned on =
or=20
off was mentioned on the Boa mailing list again very recently.
This is something Boa does already (you may turn off the Zope, FTP=
=20
and other transport support if you choose) but this can be taken much=
=20
further. This will also lessen newbie feature overdose/confusion.
Thoughts? Problems?

Why not work together on a wxPython IDE for Python instead of=20
dividing resources and duplicating work? Boa aready does everything=
=20
you want, you can help make it work the way you want it.

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:44:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donnal Walter <donnalcwalter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] Anyone got examples of wxPySizer-derived class?
To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

--- Chris Fama <chris.fama@uq.net.au> wrote:

As the subject says, has anyone got examples of a reasonably
"complete" wxPySizer-derived class? I can't find anything
in the demo, nor examples, etc.

The module wxpython.lib.grids has two great examples. (See
http://lists.wxwindows.org/pipermail/wxpython-users/2001-July/006490.html)
I had been thinking a bit about somthing similar, but have been
overwhelmed with other matters. Good luck.

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Arkansas Children's Hospital

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Message: 11
From: "Chris Fama" <chris.fama@uq.net.au>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] Anyone got examples of wxPySizer-derived class?
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:02:47 +1000
Organization: Wholly Snakes Software
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

Thanks...
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From: "Donnal Walter" <donnalcwalter@yahoo.com>
To: <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [wxPython] Anyone got examples of wxPySizer-derived class?

--- Chris Fama <chris.fama@uq.net.au> wrote:
> As the subject says, has anyone got examples of a reasonably
> "complete" wxPySizer-derived class? I can't find anything
> in the demo, nor examples, etc.

The module wxpython.lib.grids has two great examples. (See
http://lists.wxwindows.org/pipermail/wxpython-users/2001-July/006490.html)
I had been thinking a bit about somthing similar, but have been
overwhelmed with other matters. Good luck.

=====
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Arkansas Children's Hospital

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:13:28 +0200
From: Riaan Booysen <riaan@e.co.za>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] # in wxStyledTextCtrl
To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org
Organization: Tangible Business Software
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

Hi Marco,

Boa uses the following code to handle non-american keyboards,
German, French and Swiss-German keyboards supported so far,
Just figure out the codes your keybord uses (and send me a copy for=
=20
Boa too!)

keymap=3D{'euro': {219: '\\', 57: ']', 56: '[', 55: '{', 337: '~', 22=
6:
'|',
                 81: '@', 48: '}'},
        'france': {51: '#', 219: ']', 56: '\\', 55: '`', 54: '|', 53:
'[',=20
                   52: '{', 226: '6', 50: '~', 337: '}', 48: '@'},=
=20
        'swiss-german': {223: '}', 221: '~', 220: '{', 219: '`', 186:
'[',=20
                         55: '|', 226: '\\', 51: '#', 50: '@', 192:
']'},
        }

def handleSpecialEuropeanKeys(self, event, countryKeymap=3D'euro'):
    key =3D event.KeyCode()
    keymap =3D self.keymap[countryKeymap]
    if event.AltDown() and event.ControlDown() and keymap.has_key(key=
):
        currPos =3D self.GetCurrentPos()
        self.InsertText(currPos, keymap[key])
        self.SetCurrentPos(self.GetCurrentPos()+1)
        self.SetSelectionStart(self.GetCurrentPos())

In Boa this is a method on a wxSTC derived control.
Just call this method from an OnKeyDown event passing the event.

Marco Barisione wrote:

=20
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH!
=20
I'm using an italian keyboard, so to have a "#" character I have to
press ALT+CTRL+=E0 but in wxStyledTextCtrl nothing happens.
Why?
=20
Marco Barisione
e-mail: marco.bari@inwind.it
ICQ: 84277092
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Message: 13
From: "Marco Barisione" <marco.bari@inwind.it>
To: "wxpython" <wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org>
Subject: Re: [wxPython] wxIDLE (just an idea)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:05:41 +0200
Reply-To: wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org

One of the symbols of Tkinter being the quasi standard GUI of
Python is IDLE. I think something like a "wxIDLE" could serve as a
very effective hint to demonstrate the qualities of wxPython

vis-=E0-vis

Tkinter. It would probably be a good idea not to start from scratch
but with with the Editor of Boa (if that is ok with Riaan Booysen)

so

wxIDLE would be kind of a little brother to Boa (my only objection
to Boa being that it will perhaps take a long time until it is

finished,

just because it is so huge.)

[...]
My one request for wxIDLE: Be sure to design it with a plug-in
architecture. (Plug-in Editors: code editor, layout editor, menu

editor,

etc. Plug-in Tools: simple debugger, remote debugger, Bob's

debugger,

class browser, PythonCard, etc...) I don't know much about IDLEfork

but I

think that is why IDLE hasn't progressed much, it's too hard for

people to

add new capabilites without disrupting the whole thing. (In that

light,

thinking of it as "IDLE - tkinter + wxPython" may not be a good

thing.) If

people can easily work on individual plug-ins without impacting

other

plug-ins or the framework then many more people can contribute to

the

project.

I'm going to write an editor with wxpython, it's temporary name is
Galileo, but I have 2 big problems: my English and that I'm not an
expert programmer. To solve the second problem I'm writing a plug-in
interface so I have to write only a little part of the editor and
anyone can create plug-ins (for instance to manage C++ files, Ruby
files...).

Marco Barisione

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